Emerging-markets investing pioneer Mark Mobius made those remarks Tuesday in an interview with CNBC, putting him in the investing camp that expects an inevitable cascade of brutal economic data and corporate earnings hasn’t been fully discounted by investors.
Mobius, who founded Mobius Capital Partners in 2018 after a three-decade run at Franklin Templeton Investments, said corporate earnings would be “pretty bad” and that while some bargains have emerged, investors should keep some cash ready to deploy in the event of a further market downturn.
U.S. stocks hit all-time highs in February, then plunged into a bear market as the global spread of COVID-19 forced the U.S. and countries around the world to largely lock down their economies in an effort to contain the outbreak. Stocks have taken back a large chunk of lost ground since March 23, however, with recent gains tied to expectations the pandemic is near its peak, turning attention to efforts to reopen economies.
Market bulls have argued that the unprecedented nature of the shock and the massive response from the Federal Reserve, other central banks, and governments have rendered most comparisons to past bear markets debatable.
Others have cautioned that stocks are largely sticking to the bear market script.
“Although there are some opportunities to buy, I would say it’s probably a good idea to keep some powder dry for another downturn,” he said. “We might see a double bottom.”
This Bear Market Rally is still not complete but should be shortly and Here’s When The Bear Market Rally Ends.
We are actually still in a bear market rally with today clearly being another ‘green’ day, it is likely the rally will continue until the herd jumps in again.
It is not uncommon what-so-ever to re-touch near a 50% level during voracious bear markets, however, at this point you can actually argue the market is more over-valued now given the environment than when the Standard & Poor’s was near 3400 ironically enough.
The markets are already trying to price in a possible slowdown in the COVID-19 pandemic. But, even if the Pandemic miraculously disappeared today, the massive economic shock won’t disappear anytime soon.
Major indices all over the world have already plummeted into Bear Territories and the recent rally is simply a correction. In fact, if you look at previous bear markets, you will find plenty of temporary Bullish rallies within the larger Bearish move.
So, do not get emotionally carried away by the bull run right now. Shortly, we will be dealing with bad economic data, a bigger than 2008 recession (likel):
Falling Output. Less will be produced leading to lower real GDP and lower average incomes. Wages tend to rise much more slowly or not at all.
Unemployment. The biggest problem of a recession is a rise in cyclical unemployment. Because firms produce less, they demand fewer workers leading to a rise in unemployment.
Higher Government Borrowing. In a recession, government finances tend to deteriorate. People pay fewer taxes because of higher unemployment and they need to spend more on unemployment benefits. This deterioration in government finances can cause markets to be worried about levels of government borrowing leading to higher interest rate costs. This rise in bond yields may put pressure on governments to reduce budget deficits through spending cuts and tax rises. This can make the recession worse and more difficult to get out of. This was particularly a problem for many Eurozone economies in the aftermath of 2009 recession.
Hysteresis. This is the argument that a rise in temporary (cyclical) unemployment can translate into higher structural (long-term) unemployment. hysteresis
Falling asset prices. In a recession, there is less demand for buying fixed assets such as housing. Falling house prices can aggravate the fall in consumer spending and also increase bank losses. This fall in asset prices is particularly a feature of a balance sheet recession (e.g. 2009-10) recession.
Falling share prices. Lower profits lead to lower levels of share prices.
Social problems related to rising unemployment, e.g. higher rates of social exclusion.
Increased inequality. A recession tends to aggravate income inequality and relative poverty. In particular, unemployment (relying on unemployment benefits) is one of the largest causes of relative poverty.
Rise in Protectionism. In response to a global downturn, countries are often encouraged to respond with protectionist measures (e.g. raising import duties). This leads to retaliation and a general decline in trade which has adverse effects.
These factors are not at the top of the news yet cycle right now. But I assure you that when the Corona-Virus takes a back seat to the Presidential Election, the reality will set in and we will witness a new test of the bottom.
So, such rallies as the one we are seeing now will be sold aggressively and markets will plummet into fresh lows. Until a 50%-55% drop has happened, we can’t start thinking about bottom formation.
Conservative investors should continue to follow the Wealth Preserver signals as is proven historically, the signals will protect you from every market crash that matters.
While it is indeed a sharp “reflex rally,” With follow through today, please remember this: “Bear Markets” are not resolved in a single Day, Week, or a Month. Most importantly, “bear markets” do not end with “consumer confidence” still very elevated.
Notice that during each of the previous two bear market cycles, confidence dropped by an average of 58 points.
This past week, we saw early indications of the unemployment that is coming to America as jobless claims surged to 10 million, and unemployment in April will surge to 15-20%.
Confidence, and ultimately consumption, Which comprises 70% of GDP, will plummet as job losses mount. It is incredibly difficult to remain optimistic when you are unemployed.
No Light At The End Of The Tunnel Yet
Most importantly, as shown below, the majority of businesses will run out of money long before SBA loans, or financial assistance can be provided. This will lead to higher, and a longer-duration of unemployment.
What the cycle tells us is that jobless claims, unemployment, and economic growth are going to worsen materially over the next couple of quarters.
The problem with the current economic backdrop, and mounting job losses, is the vast majority of American’s were woefully unprepared for any disruption to their income going into recession.
Two important points:
The economy will eventually recover, and life will return to normal.
The damage will take much longer to heal, and future growth will run at a lower long-term rate due to the escalation of debts and deficits.
For investors, this means a greater range of stock market volatility and near-zero rates of return over the next decade.
The Bear Still Rules
History tells the story covering the last 8 full fledged bear markets: The should be sold into!
In other words, if you have taken the decline thus far, When you see the rally explode up, sell it and preserve as much as you can before the next dip.
On Friday, our colleague, Jeffery Marcus of TP Analytics, penned the following:
When the 11-year bull market trend ended, other shorter trends were also violated. In late February, the S&P 500 fell below its 14-month uptrend line, and in early March the 13-month uptrend line was violated. Those breaks set in place the steep declines seen in the 2nd and 3rd weeks of March.
While it may seem like an epic battle is going on around S&P 500 2500, the real problem is the downtrend forming from the 2/19 high.
TPA still continues to see real long term support in the 3% range between 2110 and 2180. A less likely move below that support, would leave long term support levels of the lows of 2014 and 2015.
S&P 500 – Long Term
His analysis agrees with our own:
“While the technical picture of the market also suggests the recent “bear market” rally will likely fade sooner than later. Such an advance will ‘lure’ investors back into the market, thinking the ‘bear market’ is over. Importantly, despite the sizable rally, participation has remained extraordinarily weak. If the market was seeing strong buying, as suggested by the media, then we should see sizable upticks in the percent measures of advancing issues, issues at new highs, and a rising number of stocks above their 200-dma.”
On a daily basis, these measures all have room to improve in the short-term. However, the market has now confirmed longer-term technical signals suggesting the “bear market” has only just started.
There are reasons to be optimistic about the markets in the very short-term. We will get through this crisis. People will return to work. The economy will start moving forward again.
However, it won’t immediately go right back to where we were previously. We are continuing to extend the amount of time the economy will be “shut down,” which exacerbates the decline in the employment, and personal consumption data. The feedback loop from that data into corporate profits, and earnings, is going to make valuations more problematic even with low interest rates currently.
This is NOT the time to try and “speculate” on a bottom of the market. You might get lucky, but there is very high risk you could wind up losing even more capital.
For long-term investors like our Wealth Preserver Members, just remain patient and let the market dictate when the bottom has been formed. As you can see in the image below, the InterAnalyst Green Buy signal will come as it has every other time. But it only signals when the market is on solid footing.
Bear markets never end with optimism, but in despair. So remain patient, it the bear will end and you will capture the slingshot move back up once the markets are on solid footing.
Although we continue to author opinion and analysis, please remember that our writings do not replace the green buy and red sell signals derived from over 140 years of market analytics. Use the Wealth Maximizer Pro to help give you daily charts and signals to help with daily market direction. Apply those to the Wealth Maximizer Weekly charts and signals to give you more confidence in the direction.
We have seen a hefty relief rally but does Another Leg Down loom? For those who are Wealth Maximizer Pro members, you have caught the nice profitable rally, contratulations.
I am seeing some “disturbing” signs that the market is very close to re-testing the lows that we previously have made, or, will it form another leg down loom?.
At the very least, it is 98% certain we will come to test the lows around 2250 at any moment in time. It is possible that we have another final leg down, and I believe that we likely will.
It is important for you to remain patient instead of panic buying and falling into bull trap.
During this last leg down, simultaneously, Goldand Silverwill likely sell-off for liquidity reasons. People are now and will continue to liquidate their hidden savings.
Here’s why we know that the last leg down is coming:
The VIXremains incredibly elevated (60+) despite big pops in the markets and has not subsided. This tells you another sell-off is looming. Whats more, it’s supported by many other technical and fundamental factors.
For the market to continue up and ignore these factors would be unprecedented.
I exited with the Wealth Preserver on the on March 2nd. The last couple of bullish days brought to mind the Slingshot, are we there and have we missed the first 2 days. In your recent Celente video post you mentioned we’re entering into a global depression which may be even worse than the Great Depression.
Before all that happens is it possible we see DOW tumble another 5K-10K?
There seems to be an incredible amount of liquidating-at-all-costs mentality at the moment. I worked on an equity desk during the 2008 crisis, and currently at a very small non-bank FX dealing desk and have never seen anything like this. Your feedback is always appreciated.
“Great Question Victor.
The simple answer is NO.
The worst-case scenario appears to be testing the reversal technical line in the 15,000 level and do not see a drop to 5-10K. That is way too far for a slingshot.
I see the slingshot build and breakout to new highs by 2023.
However, let’s tale a look at history to guide us on recovery times with similar drops to our current CronoCrash.
Look at the two charts below.
What you see is that it took 65 months from the 2007-2009 Crash to get back to even.
The 1987 Crash appears to be a likely type of pattern from a timing perspective to our current Crono-Crash. That was a 53% decline and took 24 months to break even.
The 2000 -2003 Bear Market was a 3 year 54% decline and took 81 months to break even.
If we were to fall on par with those declines, we would be looking at a drop to the mid-15000 level.
Because InterAnalyst members s stepped aside (red signals) for most of the Corona-Crash, they will miss all those months of recovery just to get back to even.
More importantly, while everyone else is back to even, those who stepped aside will be 100% – 400% ahead of those buy and hold investors who did not step aside of the Corona-Crash.
As for the future, when we get back in (green signal) we could reach the test of just below the 40,000 level happening in 2024.
As always, the Democrats just can’t stand the fact that Trump might take credit for helping people and have blocked and relief package. Democrats claimed in true Marxist fashion in the Senate that the GOP’s push to set aside $425 billion for loans to help select companies and industries, dubbing it a “slush fund” for the Treasury to direct as it sees fit. They said the bill is tilted toward corporations instead of working people. What they fail to even address is that those working people rely upon small businesses the Democrats hate so much which provides 70% of their employment.
Small businesses have been ordered to close down. They cannot pay employees and nobody has suspended their rents. The destruction of small businesses will be devastating to the economy and this is all about playing politics. I am saddened.
The closing for March, if down from last Friday may spark more serious liquidation as Hedge Funds dump everything and some may more to suspend withdrawals as is taking place in European bond funds. The Solus Alternative Asset Management LP, Hedge Fund, known for its investment in retail chain Toys “R” Us, informed its investors that it is shutting its flagship fund and will restrict redemption’s as it works to sell off holdings.
Even Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway may have lost more than $70 billion on its 10 biggest investments. This type of decline shows that the buy-and-hold strategy fails in a serious market correction. Ray Dalio, who will go down in history for his proclamation that “cash is trash” on January 21, 2020, has lost probably more than $4 trillion in Bridgewater.
Where the 2007-2009 Crash took out Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns, this time we will see Hedge Funds go down in flames. This undermines liquidity and makes the market vulnerable because market-makers pull back just to survive.
We are headed into a Global Recession which could become even worse than the Great Depression. Here’s why?
This time we have politicians taking advice from the medical industry. The medical people who do not understand that you cannot shut down the economy on this grand scale because of the devastation is insurmountable to people, their jobs, and wiping out their pensions. This economic shut down on such a massive scale is far worse than if the Corona death toll was even 8%.
Never before has the economy been crashing with such speed for this is orchestrated by people who only look at how diseases spread and not how the economy contracts.
Yes, it is true that if we all stayed home we can even beat the common cold. But the post-coronavirus world is going to be far more damaging to the future than any of these people understand.
To have the Democrats playing politics in the middle of the is just insane.
Liquidity is collapsing everywhere. Bank failures rose after the 1929 crash because liquidity failure with a declining velocity = less money with even less money moving around the economy = recession and potential depression.
A monthly closing on Oil below $20.50 will warn of the economic recession ahead as people stay home and this command of quarantine and social distancing may undermine the very cooperation which is the foundation of civilization.
If people are afraid to interact and suspect everyone, that is precisely the atmosphere created by Stalin during the Communist era. We are voluntarily limiting and quickly losing all rights including the freedom of assembly. Even Twitter has shut down those who dissent against the coronavirus and this is calling into question our freedom of speech as well.
InterAnalyst will help guide everyone out of this time of insecurity and political misdirection via selfish ignorance.
Look at the chart below:
Finding The Bottom
As the markets find the bottom, it will be laced with volatility and insecurity with the media frightening you to the point of insecurity. this is not done for YOU as an InterAnalyst member. It is done for those Buy and Holders who never exited at the top and now have been scared into submission.
However, as an InterAnalyst member, you recognize that it likely will become the best entry point of your life! Yes, insecurity will be there but you know the stock market is going nowhere!
The stock market never lies and it always returns when there is “blood in the street” and the bottom arrives.
Thus, follow the guideline to a risky to safe entry back into the coming slingshot move.
Step One: Wealth Maximizer Pro (Daily Charts)
When the Daily chart delivers a green signal, jump for joy, then choose to enter a position or wait to see if the daily signal is holding for a few days for stability. If we are at or close to a bottom, volatility will be very high so prepare for it if you choose to trade it.
Step Two: Wealth Maximizer (Weekly Charts)
When the Daily is followed by a Weekly green signal you know that the economy is attempting to settle and gain strength.
You should begin to feel a bit more secure. Entering a bullish position here is a bit less risky because the weekly signal has some economic strength attached rather than pure daily volatility. You can even wait another week to see if it develops more strength.
Step Three: The Wealth Preserver (Monthly Charts)
Once the Green signal has elevated from the Daily to the Weekly and the Weekly has moved into a second or third week of a bullish trend, you may select to beat the green monthly Wealth Preserver signal by entering a bullish position before month end.
If you look at The Wealth Preserver chart above, ask yourself whether you remember the days or weeks Just prior to the bottom green signals in 2003 and 2008? NOPE, right. You don’t remember them, but what you would have remembered is getting in after preserving your money at the prior top, before the full devastating decline those bear markets delivered.
The same is true now.
So, the bottom is going to come. You must be patient, it will arrive, it always does!
Enter in when you feel most comfortable, but recognize that the Wealth Preserver has proven to be deadly accurate at economic turning points.
The phrase to be true: “Better Safe, than Sorry!”
Obviously, entry at any point has its risks, but as you look closely at The Wealth Preserver chart above, making a move using the monthly charts is rarely a poor decision…ESPECIALLY OFF THE BOTTOM.
I cannot make any claims about the virus itself and this post is the reaction of major stock markets. A good explanation I’ve found on epidemics and exponential growth is this one on YouTube which I recommend watching if you are not already up to speed.
Looking at the current situation it appears that the market has room to fall further as the economic fallout continues and the virus spreads.
If the virus starts to slow down, it won’t be long before stocks find a bottom given the huge amount of stimulus that central banks are providing.
The most important thing is that we need to see the number of new daily cases start to flatten out.
Currently the virus is spreading at an exponential rate and that is causing businesses and services around the world to enter lock-down.
That has dire consequences for company profits.
To summarize some of the information in the mentioned video above, exponential growth means that as you go from one day to the next you have to multiply by some constant.
In the case of coronavirus, daily cases have been increasing by about 1.15 to 1.25 times the previous day’s cases. This results in an exponential curve with the number of new cases increasing on a daily basis. In fact, a virus provides a textbook example of exponential growth since what causes new cases are existing cases. However, there comes a time when exponential growth has to slow down.
For example, as millions of people become sick there are fewer people that can be infected so the rate of new cases must decrease. Likewise, measures such as hand washing and limiting gatherings also have the effect of reducing the spread.
So an exponential curve will eventually level out at an inflection point and turn into what’s called a logistics curve. At this point the number of new cases each day levels out and then starts decreasing. We have already seen this happen in China and now it is happening in South Korea too.
New cases in China leveling out. Source: John Hopkins University.
Growth Factor = No. New Cases Today / No. New Cases Yesterday
A value over 1 indicates that we are still on the exponential part of the curve and there may be higher magnitudes of new cases ahead of us. In other words the growth is not slowing down.
This is the case right now in the USA and Europe. Whereas a value of 1 means that growth is leveling out and a value under 1 means new cases are decreasing.
Taking China as an example, the coronavirus spread began at an exponential rate which has gradually leveled off thanks to drastic shutdown measures.
With new cases appearing to have peaked the country has been able to get back to work and reboot its economy. Meanwhile, the United States and Europe have only just started to see new cases increase, indicating that they are likely to be near the beginning of the exponential curve.
What does all this mean for the stock market now?
I think we need to see the growth rate of new cases in the US and Europe start to level off before we can put in a major stock market bottom. So we need to see the daily growth rate drop to one or below and then stay there, perhaps for a week or so.
Once that happens I think we will see a bottom in stocks and a significant relief rally thanks to the huge amount of stimulus that is being provided by central banks.
It is because of this stimulus that we will see the slingshot. Importantly, though, I don’t think we need to see growth rates level off for the whole world.
It would be enough to see growth rates in the US and Europe start to slow for a bottom to be put in. That’s because these areas (plus China) account for the vast majority of global GDP.
To keep on track of this I am using the coronavirus dashboard developed by John Hopkins University which seems to provide the most up to date and reliable figures that I’ve found. The dashboard provides the latest statistics on new cases which can then be used to calculate growth rates.
Analyzing these numbers it doesn’t seem all that surprising that 10% drop in US stocks that day coincided with a huge daily growth rate of 2.8 times (this is for locations outside Mainland China).
Ultimately, virus growth rates and the stock market are linked and so long as the curve is exponential the markets are going to struggle.
Stock markets are likely to rally every time the virus looks to have been defeated, even when it’s not.
The data isn’t entirely accurate so there is likely to be some false starts. It’s also possible that the market will be able to lead a flattening in the virus whether it is caused by luck, government intervention or some other reason.
But eventually the market will get it right, it always does.
That being said, when stocks are up and the exponential curve has leveled off, review your Daily, then your Weekly charts with signals for Green Light Trade Signals because that will mean we are close to a bottom, or the bottom may be in!
As I mentioned in yesterdays Bull & Bear Blog post, there was a gap to fill below yesterdays close. Today, traders put in their best efforts to close the gap, but failed to do so as you see in the chart below.
Now that it is likely to break through and fill the gap, whats next? The indexes like to break significant corrections into 3 phases with 2 rallies before they bottom. So, lets take a look at one example of this that could repeat now.
The image below is from the most recent correction in 2018:
That drop lasted from October – December and bounced back in January. Usually corrections of significance take back roughly -20% from the top and are not considered bear markets.
So as we can see in the top image, we have take only 9% from the top in relative terms, 11% less than in 2018.
Nonetheless, we now live in 2020 and our run up to this correction was long and strong, so we are giving back some right now with the help of the Corona-virus. Unlike 2018 this may not bounce back quite as quick because the virus is spreading still.
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